Publishing Industry Publishing Industry    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Konica Minolta 6500 Goto page Previous  1, 2          Publishing Industry Forum Index -> Publishing Industry View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message PS Guest Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 Hi All thanks for feedback We have looked at the Xerox 5252 and Xerox 6060 machine - we currently has a Xerox 3535 and want to step up in our digital production as we run loads of short run full colour one sided leaflets (4up runs average 250 to 1250) on 130gsm gloss Our main interest in the Konica was in lease terms it worked out 1/3 of the price of a 5252 / 6060 from xerox thanks Phil Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Lee Blevins Guest Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Xerox DC250 and 13x19 Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote: Quote: Lee, did you bother to read the information I quoted? No, I don't need to. You're doing a fine job of making my point without me needing to do that. Quote: 13x19, and that's without the high cap oversize tray. That's through the bypass, standard. Dude, it's an 11 x 17 machine. If you think you can be productive pushing paper through a bypass tray, go buy one. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Elmo P. Shagnasty Guest Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: Xerox DC250 and 13x19 In article <1hyq6yc.1olmfymi88adcN%leeb@digitalgraphics.net>, leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote: Quote: 13x19, and that's without the high cap oversize tray. That's through the bypass, standard. Dude, it's an 11 x 17 machine. If you think you can be productive pushing paper through a bypass tray, go buy one. Well, many people are doing so. If you're using it as a proofer, great. But if you're using it as a production machine to pump out thousands a week, that's different. What was YOUR use for 13x19? It's not an 11x17 machine. But neither is it a 13x19 PRODUCTION machine, not without the oversize high cap feeder. You're showing yourself not to be a good communicator. Are you always an asshole when people tell you what you ask for instead of what you THINK you asked for but never did? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Lee Blevins Guest Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Xerox DC250 and 13x19 Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote: Quote: In article <1hyq6yc.1olmfymi88adcN%leeb@digitalgraphics.net>, leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote: 13x19, and that's without the high cap oversize tray. That's through the bypass, standard. Dude, it's an 11 x 17 machine. If you think you can be productive pushing paper through a bypass tray, go buy one. Well, many people are doing so. So what. Eat shit, 10,000,000,000 flies can't be wrong. Quote: If you're using it as a proofer, great. But if you're using it as a production machine to pump out thousands a week, that's different. What was YOUR use for 13x19? UH, bleed 11 x 17? Ever heard of bleed? Perhaps it's not common in your work. Quote: It's not an 11x17 machine. But neither is it a 13x19 PRODUCTION machine, not without the oversize high cap feeder. It's an 11 x 17 machine dilrod. Putting a bypass slot on a printer doth not make it the same as having input trays that hold higher quantities and allow stock selection. You should work for a printer sales organization. You''d make the perfect lying salesperson that tries to tell customers that this is something more and a utilitarian office machine. Quote: You're showing yourself not to be a good communicator. Are you always an asshole when people tell you what you ask for instead of what you THINK you asked for but never did? You are showing yourself to be what you've been on this NG for as long as I'm seen your alias here. You're an attack dog that will argue any point from any direction just to argue. I see no consistency to your opinions, other than they are usually just opposite of what anybody is saying. But I really don't care. You don't matter. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Elmo P. Shagnasty Guest Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Xerox DC250 and 13x19 In article <1hytglv.s5qnbp17fw9cyN%leeb@digitalgraphics.net>, leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote: Quote: If you're using it as a proofer, great. But if you're using it as a production machine to pump out thousands a week, that's different. What was YOUR use for 13x19? UH, bleed 11 x 17? Ever heard of bleed? Perhaps it's not common in your work. You (badly) sidestepped the question. If you're using it as a proofer, great. But if you're using it as a production machine to pump out thousands a week, that's different. What was YOUR use for 13x19? Were you one-off proofing 11x17 bleed? Or were you running production runs of 11x17 bleed work? Production. Ever hear of it? Perhaps it's not common in your work. Quote: It's not an 11x17 machine. But neither is it a 13x19 PRODUCTION machine, not without the oversize high cap feeder. It's an 11 x 17 machine dilrod. Putting a bypass slot on a printer doth not make it the same as having input trays that hold higher quantities and allow stock selection. Which is NOT how it is. It has an input tray that holds very high quantities of 13x19 stock. Of course, you conveniently forget to mention that every time you bring this up. You also wish it weren't so thoroughly documented so that you didn't look like so much of an ass every time you bring it up. Quote: You should work for a printer sales organization. HA! Right. There isn't a salesdroid in existence that could feed his family selling the truth. Quote: You''d make the perfect lying salesperson that tries to tell customers that this is something more and a utilitarian office machine. For one-off proofing, the bypass tray is fine. For production, it's not. I've said that over and over again. What part of that don't you understand? Are you proofing, or are you in production? Quote: You're showing yourself not to be a good communicator. Are you always an asshole when people tell you what you ask for instead of what you THINK you asked for but never did? You are showing yourself to be what you've been on this NG for as long as I'm seen your alias here. You're an attack dog that will argue any point from any direction just to argue. I see no consistency to your opinions, other than they are usually just opposite of what anybody is saying. Hardly. But then, facts aren't your long suit. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Lee Blevins Guest Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Re: Xerox DC250 and 13x19 Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote: Quote: For one-off proofing, the bypass tray is fine. For production, it's not. I've said that over and over again. What part of that don't you understand? from previous post.. Quote: Are you proofing, or are you in production? Dude, it's an 11 x 17 machine. If you think you can be productive pushing paper through a bypass tray, go buy one. What part of "productive" didn't you understand? Does that word have too many syllables for you? And if you consider a copier an accurate proofing device then you work in a different world than I do. Adding the high cap feeder to that machine is trying to put lipstick on a pig. Drives it's price up and doesn't offer a good price/performance ratio. Fact is, it's an 11 x 17 office printer that's being attempted to offer as a digital print solution. It fails at that. I'm sure Xerox doesn't make a new 13 x 19 model because they see the handwriting on the wall. Any real digital 11 x 17 bleed production work will now be eaten up by digital presses, not copiers. For just proofing you can get that for a lot less that the cost of a 250. It just doesn't have any real market niche other than putting it in some corporate office and let secretaries print to it. Or put it in an Officemax and have it serve print to people who don't even notice their bleed was clipped and will pay 49 cents for a crappy 8 1/2 x 11 on bond paper. It's slow, expensive and poor output quality. Sounds like a good fit for your work. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Elmo P. Shagnasty Guest Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:12 am    Post subject: Re: Xerox DC250 and 13x19 Your consistency at being both ignorant AND an asshole is astounding. In article <1hyu0v0.c4fg761mzotw0N%leeb@digitalgraphics.net>, leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote: Quote: Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote: For one-off proofing, the bypass tray is fine. For production, it's not. I've said that over and over again. What part of that don't you understand? from previous post.. Are you proofing, or are you in production? Dude, it's an 11 x 17 machine. If you think you can be productive pushing paper through a bypass tray, go buy one. What part of "productive" didn't you understand? Does that word have too many syllables for you? And if you consider a copier an accurate proofing device then you work in a different world than I do. Adding the high cap feeder to that machine is trying to put lipstick on a pig. Drives it's price up and doesn't offer a good price/performance ratio. Fact is, it's an 11 x 17 office printer that's being attempted to offer as a digital print solution. It fails at that. I'm sure Xerox doesn't make a new 13 x 19 model because they see the handwriting on the wall. Any real digital 11 x 17 bleed production work will now be eaten up by digital presses, not copiers. For just proofing you can get that for a lot less that the cost of a 250. It just doesn't have any real market niche other than putting it in some corporate office and let secretaries print to it. Or put it in an Officemax and have it serve print to people who don't even notice their bleed was clipped and will pay 49 cents for a crappy 8 1/2 x 11 on bond paper. It's slow, expensive and poor output quality. Sounds like a good fit for your work. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor creativechaos Guest Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:46 am    Post subject: Re: Xerox DC250 and 13x19 Maybe some useful information... http://www.office.xerox.com/multifunction-printer/color-multifunction/docuco lor-240-250/prnt-enus.html DocuColor 240/250 Evaluator Guide (PDF) Maximum Image Size Print Maximum Area ­ 12.6 x 18.7 in. (323 x 480 mm) Maximum Guaranteed ­ 12.4 x 18.7 in. (317 x 480 mm) On 5/28/07 6:27 AM, in article 1hytglv.s5qnbp17fw9cyN%leeb@digitalgraphics.net, "Lee Blevins" <leeb@digitalgraphics.net> wrote: Quote: Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote: In article <1hyq6yc.1olmfymi88adcN%leeb@digitalgraphics.net>, leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote: 13x19, and that's without the high cap oversize tray. That's through the bypass, standard. Dude, it's an 11 x 17 machine. If you think you can be productive pushing paper through a bypass tray, go buy one. Well, many people are doing so. So what. Eat shit, 10,000,000,000 flies can't be wrong. If you're using it as a proofer, great. But if you're using it as a production machine to pump out thousands a week, that's different. What was YOUR use for 13x19? UH, bleed 11 x 17? Ever heard of bleed? Perhaps it's not common in your work. It's not an 11x17 machine. But neither is it a 13x19 PRODUCTION machine, not without the oversize high cap feeder. It's an 11 x 17 machine dilrod. Putting a bypass slot on a printer doth not make it the same as having input trays that hold higher quantities and allow stock selection. You should work for a printer sales organization. You''d make the perfect lying salesperson that tries to tell customers that this is something more and a utilitarian office machine. You're showing yourself not to be a good communicator. Are you always an asshole when people tell you what you ask for instead of what you THINK you asked for but never did? You are showing yourself to be what you've been on this NG for as long as I'm seen your alias here. You're an attack dog that will argue any point from any direction just to argue. I see no consistency to your opinions, other than they are usually just opposite of what anybody is saying. But I really don't care. You don't matter. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 On May 20, 11:27 am, Lithotherm <prasant...@gmail.com> wrote: Quote: Dear Mr. Phil, In my personal opinion as a Graphic Print Tech Support member, Konica Minolta Pro C6500 is not good for professional setup. If you really (I mean your firm) looking for a stable printer cum copier for production basis rather than Konica Minolta Pro C6500 you go for MGI DP-40 or Xerox DC 5252 or Xerox DC 6060. .. Konica Minolta Pro C6500 is a problem making production printer and its gives more headache every time. In colour calibration or dot shape quality or economy or value for money you will not get what you expect. Hope you will consider revising the machine. Best regards Prasanth prasant...@gmail.com You must not have used the 6500 the way You are talking. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 On May 24, 6:21 am, "PS" <1...@1111111wswfeeg.com> wrote: Quote: Hi All thanks for feedback We have looked at the Xerox 5252 and Xerox 6060 machine - we currently has a Xerox 3535 and want to step up in our digital production as we run loads of short run full colour one sided leaflets (4up runs average 250 to 1250) on 130gsm gloss Our main interest in the Konica was in lease terms it worked out 1/3 of the price of a 5252 / 6060 from xerox thanks Phil Hi Phil and all c6500 critiques on this forum... I have a xerox Docucolor 3535 and was once biased by xerox only slogan. I updated to a konica Minolta c6500 and quality wise it blows away all docucolor models up to the igen. Featurewise it blows away all docucolor models upto the igen which includes auto duplex on 256 gsm, 13X19" 256 gsm paper from all trays. Finishing options blows away any inline finishers offered by xerox & has the industry only 200 page inline booklet maker with face trim. Its only one in the industry that the finishers can be used as offline finishers as well. Click charges they are the most compettive in the market. So my advice to everyone get one while you can they are on backorder for a reason. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 On May 18, 7:46 am, Dasman <dana_sm...@pinetreecomposition.com> wrote: Quote: I don't know about the 6500 but I've got a 650 here that you can have if you just show an interest....the document feeder is one of the worst I've ever seen....the techie put a RUBBER BAND around the 8.5x11 paper guide in the paper tray to keep it from skewing images on the paper when copying. It still has stretch'n squeeze problems when copying....KIA?? that might be a good analogy... Ikons model has a different rip and different service. Konica Minoltas c6500 is unmatched, I have a fully loaded one which i leased and i did alot of research before that. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Publishing Industry Forum Index -> Publishing Industry All times are GMT Goto page Previous  1, 2 Page 2 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum Publishing Industry----------------Publishing Industry  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Australian Debt Consolidation Experts medical insurance Wedding Trova Escort e Accompagnatrici sui portali di annunci (EscortForum, ItaliaChiamami, PiccoleTrasgressioni ...) 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