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 Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: Konica Minolta 6500 |
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Hi
My firm is considering taking a Konica Minolta 6500
First demo impressions were good anyone have any experience of them
Financial package is very good as well
thanks
Phil |
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Elmo P. Shagnasty
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 2:56 am Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 |
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In article <xoednWVnrMbl_dHbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>,
"PS" <1111@1111111wswfeeg.com> wrote:
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My firm is considering taking a Konica Minolta 6500
First demo impressions were good anyone have any experience of them
Financial package is very good as well
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Does your firm's owner drive a Kia?
No?
Why not? I mean, it's cheap, it's a car....what more does he want?
After a month you won't care WHICH color it chooses to give you; you'll
be too busy wishing that at least, if you ask for a color, it would
stick with a given color consistently. |
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Dasman
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 |
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I don't know about the 6500 but I've got a 650 here that you can have
if you just show an interest....the document feeder is one of the
worst I've ever seen....the techie put a RUBBER BAND around the 8.5x11
paper guide in the paper tray to keep it from skewing images on the
paper when copying. It still has stretch'n squeeze problems when
copying....KIA?? that might be a good analogy... |
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Peggy
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 |
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"Dasman" <dana_smith@pinetreecomposition.com> wrote in message
news:1179488767.790978.84770@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
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I don't know about the 6500 but I've got a 650 here that you can have
if you just show an interest....the document feeder is one of the
worst I've ever seen....the techie put a RUBBER BAND around the 8.5x11
paper guide in the paper tray to keep it from skewing images on the
paper when copying. It still has stretch'n squeeze problems when
copying....KIA?? that might be a good analogy...
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Hey! I love my 1999 Sephia! |
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Lee Blevins
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 |
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PS <1111@1111111wswfeeg.com> wrote:
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Hi
My firm is considering taking a Konica Minolta 6500
First demo impressions were good anyone have any experience of them
Financial package is very good as well
thanks
Phil
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I just rejected a Konica 5100.
Horrible machine.
It ran ok but it was slow as christmas on anything but Word docs with a
few characters on 8 1/2 x 11 toilet paper.
Couldn't print gloss for crap and it wouldn't do 100# Cover even dull,
gloss 100# cover locked the machine up every 4th sheet.
The print quality was afwful.
Streaks in anything resembling a solid.
Sheet to sheet register was often 1/8 or more off.
Horrible Jap manuals and s/w. They must smoke a different pipe over
there.
The finisher was a joke.
What it came down to was this machine could run cheap bond without
bleeds or even medium coverage ok.
Like if you were printing a textbook without photos.
I couldn't sell it. It had to go.
Problem with color lasers today is their manipulated by the companies
that make them to prevent them from encroaching on their big dollar
machines that they sell to copy centers.
They do this by making the toner and parts really expensive. I think
they want to keep your cost per real 11 x 17 up around 25 cents or
better in just tone. Do heavey coverage and it gets up to 75 cents per
11 x 17.
For your own proofing device it might work but for a commercial use
forget it.
Why doesn't somebody make a 13 x 19 duplexing laser at a reasonable
price?
Answer, they want you to spend 100K for one. |
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Elmo P. Shagnasty
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 |
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In article <1hyboaw.tt55k225u268N%leeb@digitalgraphics.net>,
leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote:
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Why doesn't somebody make a 13 x 19 duplexing laser at a reasonable
price?
Answer, they want you to spend 100K for one.
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How about $25K? |
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Lithotherm
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 |
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Dear Mr. Phil,
In my personal opinion as a Graphic Print Tech Support member, Konica
Minolta Pro C6500 is not good for professional setup.
If you really (I mean your firm) looking for a stable printer cum
copier for production basis rather than Konica Minolta Pro C6500 you
go for MGI DP-40 or Xerox DC 5252 or Xerox DC 6060. ..
Konica Minolta Pro C6500 is a problem making production printer and
its gives more headache every time.
In colour calibration or dot shape quality or economy or value for
money you will not get what you expect.
Hope you will consider revising the machine.
Best regards
Prasanth
prasanthsr@gmail.com |
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Lee Blevins
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:30 am Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 |
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Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
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In article <1hyboaw.tt55k225u268N%leeb@digitalgraphics.net>,
leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote:
Why doesn't somebody make a 13 x 19 duplexing laser at a reasonable
price?
Answer, they want you to spend 100K for one.
How about $25K?
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OK, I'll bite, what machine? |
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Elmo P. Shagnasty
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 |
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In article <1hyha4j.1myuo914x61p6N%leeb@digitalgraphics.net>,
leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote:
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Why doesn't somebody make a 13 x 19 duplexing laser at a reasonable
price?
Answer, they want you to spend 100K for one.
How about $25K?
OK, I'll bite, what machine?
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I've heard of Xerox DC250 going for that. |
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Peggy
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 |
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-C66B09.19595921052007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
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In article <1hyha4j.1myuo914x61p6N%leeb@digitalgraphics.net>,
leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote:
Why doesn't somebody make a 13 x 19 duplexing laser at a reasonable
price?
Answer, they want you to spend 100K for one.
How about $25K?
OK, I'll bite, what machine?
I've heard of Xerox DC250 going for that.
The one I'm acquainted with: |
won't duplex card stock
dogears 10% of pages on longer runs (+100 copies)
streaks
jams
gets blotchy for no apparent reason
.... but is much less trouble than the 4110 next to it.
I'm learning to hate all machines. |
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Elmo P. Shagnasty
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 |
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In article <CeadnYXXAOzKNs_bnZ2dnUVZ_q2pnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Peggy" <pjcoquet@comcast.net> wrote:
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I've heard of Xerox DC250 going for that.
The one I'm acquainted with:
won't duplex card stock
dogears 10% of pages on longer runs (+100 copies)
streaks
jams
gets blotchy for no apparent reason
... but is much less trouble than the 4110 next to it.
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Are you aware of the Total Satisfaction Guarantee?
You sound like a good candidate for exercising that. |
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Lee Blevins
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:22 am Post subject: Re: Konica Minolta 6500 |
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Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
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In article <1hyha4j.1myuo914x61p6N%leeb@digitalgraphics.net>,
leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote:
Why doesn't somebody make a 13 x 19 duplexing laser at a reasonable
price?
Answer, they want you to spend 100K for one.
How about $25K?
OK, I'll bite, what machine?
I've heard of Xerox DC250 going for that.
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Only takes 12 x 18 in the bypass tray.
And at that they claim 250 sheets but you better read the fine print.
I think that's like 10# paper to get that count.
Went for a demo on it, horrible. |
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Elmo P. Shagnasty
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: Xerox DC250 and 13x19 (was Re: Konica Minolta 6500) |
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In article <1hyj1my.dbeh2kk4soi4N%leeb@digitalgraphics.net>,
leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote:
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I've heard of Xerox DC250 going for that.
Only takes 12 x 18 in the bypass tray.
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Nope. 13x19. See their web site:
http://tinyurl.com/3586ft
Their brochure spells it out:
http://www.office.xerox.com/latest/D50BR-01.PDF
Please note the optional Oversize High Capacity Feeder (OHCF)--it takes
13x19 just fine, even up to 300gsm (100 pound cover).
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Went for a demo on it, horrible.
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Someone was having a bad day, eh?
If you came away not knowing that it took 13x19, then you never got a
proper demo. Shame on them. |
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Lee Blevins
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:43 am Post subject: Re: Xerox DC250 and 13x19 |
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Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
The "Oversize capacity feeder" was unknown at my demo time.
The stock item I'm pretty sure only bleed 11 x 17 through the bypass
tray.
If the oversize box does it now, they saw the light. The question now
becomes duplexing, how fast, what image extents margins etc.
The there was the DPI claim.
2400 eh?
So I tried some basic terminology to try to understand the rip and all I
got back was something that sounded like gargling with peanut butter.
My guess, not a true 2400 DPI.
I tried to estimate gray levels and the tech told me the printer was
down so we couldn't print.
My guess, I was being BS'd.
I hate Xerox. They have some nice stuff but the lying is on the level of
the early days of Scitex.
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Went for a demo on it, horrible.
Someone was having a bad day, eh?
If you came away not knowing that it took 13x19, then you never got a
proper demo. Shame on them. |
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Elmo P. Shagnasty
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: Re: Xerox DC250 and 13x19 |
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In article <1hykzx3.au8tc51f4ljiaN%leeb@digitalgraphics.net>,
leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote:
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Please note the optional Oversize High Capacity Feeder (OHCF)--it takes
13x19 just fine, even up to 300gsm (100 pound cover).
The "Oversize capacity feeder" was unknown at my demo time.
The stock item I'm pretty sure only bleed 11 x 17 through the bypass
tray.
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Lee, did you bother to read the information I quoted?
13x19, and that's without the high cap oversize tray. That's through
the bypass, standard. The tray, which I guess came along after you saw
the machine, simply makes it more convenient and loads more paper.
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If the oversize box does it now, they saw the light.
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No, it's not the oversize tray that allows for it. The machine does it
standard, by default, with no extras. Shall I quote the brochure that
you seemed to ignore:
"BYPASS TRAY: Sizes: Custom sizes up to 13x19/SRA3"
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The question now
becomes duplexing, how fast, what image extents margins etc.
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Gee, I sent you the link to the brochure; let's see what it says:
"Maximum image size: 12.4" x 18.7" " The throughput speeds are there
as well.
You know, you could sit there on your thumb, or you could simply read it.
The people who showed it to you plainly had zero idea what it was or
what it could do. Ah, well.
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The there was the DPI claim.
2400 eh?
So I tried some basic terminology to try to understand the rip and all I
got back was something that sounded like gargling with peanut butter.
My guess, not a true 2400 DPI.
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The engine is a true 2400dpi. The RIP generates a 600x600x8 raster
image, which it sends to the engine. The engine then takes that and the
magic inside (called "engineering") transforms it to four 2400x2400x1
separations that are lasered.
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I tried to estimate gray levels and the tech told me the printer was
down so we couldn't print.
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What do you use to estimate gray levels? It'd have to be an eyeball
thing, because it's difficult to impossible to use offset techniques on
a digital system like that.
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My guess, I was being BS'd.
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You weren't being BS'd; you were in front of stupid people. There is a
difference, the center of which is innocence of ignorance.
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I hate Xerox. They have some nice stuff but the lying is on the level of
the early days of Scitex.
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You *do* know that you're not dealing with Xerox, don't you? At your
level, it's like buying a car: you're dealing with an "authorized sales
agent," which is nothing more than the car dealer. You weren't dealing
with Xerox at all.
Call 1-800-ASK-XEROX and tell them your story. |
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