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 Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Clients who insist on MSWord.... |
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on 30/5/07 7:55 pm, inez wrote:
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amgine wrote:
Somewhere someone told me that Word will take EPS (with PC preview), is
that correct? Also, wouldn't it take EMF; and, doesn't EMF allow for
curves while WMF is made up entirely of tiny straight lines?
Just curious,
inez
I've previously had trouble with getting eps format to either print or
preview on work pcs. Actually I have trouble printing eps files on my
inkjets from my mac too - they can go very rough around the edges. I suppose
this stems from not having a PS printer?
I imagine the preview issue is a matter how the preview was saved in the
EPS. For non postscript inkjet printers the workaround is to PDF the doc
and then print.
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Why, thank you. I've been converting to jpg to print. |
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inez
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: Re: Clients who insist on MSWord.... |
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Neil Gould wrote:
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Somewhere someone told me that Word will take EPS (with PC preview),
is that correct? Also, wouldn't it take EMF; and, doesn't EMF allow
for curves while WMF is made up entirely of tiny straight lines?
Actually, EPS output is made up "entirely of tiny straight lines" as well.
Though the original artwork is created using Beziér curves capable of
smooth interpretation at any resolution, PostScript ultimately converts
those curves to vectors (i.e. "little straight lines") that the "flatness"
setting in Illustrator controls. While WMF is often more coarse, anyone
printing to an inkjet from MS-Word is not likely to suffer from this.
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I'm not understanding. When I open an EPS in Illy I still have curve
anchors. But if I open an WMF I have straight lines. Are you talking
maybe about how the computer and/or printer "builds" the EPS? Remember,
me no tech;) Talk down to me. |
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Neil Gould
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Clients who insist on MSWord.... |
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Recently, amgine <nztvar@yahoo.co.uk> posted:
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on 30/5/07 6:10 pm, inez wrote:
SpaceGirl wrote:
On May 30, 2:54 pm, Jim Webb <jayaruuNOS...@gmail.net> wrote:
This has come up too many times for me to ignore. I create great
stationery layouts in Indesign (CS2 on Macintosh), get everything
printed, then the client turns around and wants the letterhead (or
a fax page, or media release page) in MSWord so they can type in
stuff and PDF
it for email.
Can MSWord accept vector art (seems to look choppy)? In
Illustrator's 'export for MSWord' it saves PNG files -- then the
client complains the logo/text is blurry. Do I have to save the
letterhead artwork as hi-rez JPG?
I may be an expert in REAL layout programs, but lost when some
secretary wants a MSWord template. I can't expect clients to
change their PC programs, so I have to come up with a workaround.
Maybe one of you have more experience with MSWord than I do...
Word prefers WMF files; export all Illustrator art as WMF and it'll
remain vector when imported into Word, and print at printer
resolution. This is what we do.
Somewhere someone told me that Word will take EPS (with PC preview),
is that correct? Also, wouldn't it take EMF; and, doesn't EMF allow
for curves while WMF is made up entirely of tiny straight lines?
Actually, EPS output is made up "entirely of tiny straight lines" as well. |
Though the original artwork is created using Beziér curves capable of
smooth interpretation at any resolution, PostScript ultimately converts
those curves to vectors (i.e. "little straight lines") that the "flatness"
setting in Illustrator controls. While WMF is often more coarse, anyone
printing to an inkjet from MS-Word is not likely to suffer from this.
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I've previously had trouble with getting eps format to either print or
preview on work pcs. Actually I have trouble printing eps files on my
inkjets from my mac too - they can go very rough around the edges. I
suppose this stems from not having a PS printer?
Since 'EPS' is short for "Encapsulated PostScript", to get high resolution |
output, you need a PostScript interpreter. Without one in the printer or
some intermediate applet, the low resolution preview is often substituted
while printing. Or worse.
To the OP: use WMF. It is the compatible with the most versions of
MS-Word.
Neil |
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Neil Gould
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Clients who insist on MSWord.... |
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Recently, inez <nezmyth@or.fact> posted:
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Neil Gould wrote:
Somewhere someone told me that Word will take EPS (with PC
preview), is that correct? Also, wouldn't it take EMF; and,
doesn't EMF allow for curves while WMF is made up entirely of tiny
straight lines?
Actually, EPS output is made up "entirely of tiny straight lines" as
well. Though the original artwork is created using Beziér curves
capable of smooth interpretation at any resolution, PostScript
ultimately converts those curves to vectors (i.e. "little straight
lines") that the "flatness" setting in Illustrator controls. While
WMF is often more coarse, anyone printing to an inkjet from MS-Word
is not likely to suffer from this.
I'm not understanding. When I open an EPS in Illy I still have curve
anchors.
Beziér curves are defined with an anchor at each end and a mathematical |
construct that defines the curve between those anchors. How that curve can
be manipulated by a user depends on the paradigm used by the application.
Illustrator and several other apps for the graphic arts industry have
settled on using "handles" that make it easy to tweak the curve as desired
(though not particularly with precision). So, while you are working on the
art in Illustrator, behind the screen you are actually altering the math
that defines the curves in your drawing.
When it comes time for output, those curves are redefined as vectors, e.g.
"go from here to there at this angle". A PostScript interpreter will make
those little straight lines at the resolution of the output device, so for
example a 300 dpi laser printer will resolve a circle more coarsely than a
3540 imagesetter. Beyond 1200 dpi or so, those little short lines are
curves for most practical purposes, but there are times when 1200 dpi is
not enough to resolve fine details.
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But if I open an WMF I have straight lines.
What are you using to open the WMF? Unless you are using a WMF editor that |
uses an editing paradigm similar to Illustrator, you will get short,
unconnected straight lines instead of curves to work with. Placing WMFs
created in Illustrator in Office apps will not typically create a problem
because they can be of sufficient resolution for office printing. They can
suck big time if used for commercial printing.
Neil |
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inez
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:45 am Post subject: Re: Clients who insist on MSWord.... |
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Neil Gould wrote:
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Recently, inez <nezmyth@or.fact> posted:
Neil Gould wrote:
Somewhere someone told me that Word will take EPS (with PC
preview), is that correct? Also, wouldn't it take EMF; and,
doesn't EMF allow for curves while WMF is made up entirely of tiny
straight lines?
Actually, EPS output is made up "entirely of tiny straight lines" as
well. Though the original artwork is created using Beziér curves
capable of smooth interpretation at any resolution, PostScript
ultimately converts those curves to vectors (i.e. "little straight
lines") that the "flatness" setting in Illustrator controls. While
WMF is often more coarse, anyone printing to an inkjet from MS-Word
is not likely to suffer from this.
I'm not understanding. When I open an EPS in Illy I still have curve
anchors.
Beziér curves are defined with an anchor at each end and a mathematical
construct that defines the curve between those anchors. How that curve can
be manipulated by a user depends on the paradigm used by the application.
Illustrator and several other apps for the graphic arts industry have
settled on using "handles" that make it easy to tweak the curve as desired
(though not particularly with precision). So, while you are working on the
art in Illustrator, behind the screen you are actually altering the math
that defines the curves in your drawing.
When it comes time for output, those curves are redefined as vectors, e.g.
"go from here to there at this angle". A PostScript interpreter will make
those little straight lines at the resolution of the output device, so for
example a 300 dpi laser printer will resolve a circle more coarsely than a
3540 imagesetter. Beyond 1200 dpi or so, those little short lines are
curves for most practical purposes, but there are times when 1200 dpi is
not enough to resolve fine details.
But if I open an WMF I have straight lines.
What are you using to open the WMF? Unless you are using a WMF editor that
uses an editing paradigm similar to Illustrator, you will get short,
unconnected straight lines instead of curves to work with. Placing WMFs
created in Illustrator in Office apps will not typically create a problem
because they can be of sufficient resolution for office printing. They can
suck big time if used for commercial printing.
Neil
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OK, so I can think of the short lines as how the computer/printer
language builds the image. Me, I have enough trouble remember how to use
the app. LOL
I think I previously tried to open a client's WMF in Illy to work with
it, but it was all a bunch of lines. Nothing I could do that was worth
doing. I think I used it as a template to redraw. |
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Neil Gould
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Clients who insist on MSWord.... |
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Recently, inez <nezmyth@or.fact> posted:
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Neil Gould wrote:
What are you using to open the WMF? Unless you are using a WMF
editor that uses an editing paradigm similar to Illustrator, you
will get short, unconnected straight lines instead of curves to work
with. Placing WMFs created in Illustrator in Office apps will not
typically create a problem because they can be of sufficient
resolution for office printing. They can suck big time if used for
commercial printing.
OK, so I can think of the short lines as how the computer/printer
language builds the image.
Right. For PostScript or EPS, it is the PostScript interpreter that builds |
the image by rasterizing the "little short lines" into dots.
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I think I previously tried to open a client's WMF in Illy to work with
it, but it was all a bunch of lines. Nothing I could do that was worth
doing. I think I used it as a template to redraw.
I've done that many times. No point in driving yourself nuts trying to |
make silk purses and all.
Neil |
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Eric
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Clients who insist on MSWord.... |
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delooch wrote:
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word will import eps files, however it doesnt seem to be flawless.
i do have the occasional .eps file that dosent import, or is too
large.
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I get around this by using OPI previews. However if your client is stupid
enough to think that M$ Word is a DTP program how will the blondes be
persuaded to use these previews?
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amgine
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Clients who insist on MSWord.... |
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on 31/5/07 2:43 am, Neil Gould wrote:
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Recently, inez <nezmyth@or.fact> posted:
Neil Gould wrote:
What are you using to open the WMF? Unless you are using a WMF
editor that uses an editing paradigm similar to Illustrator, you
will get short, unconnected straight lines instead of curves to work
with. Placing WMFs created in Illustrator in Office apps will not
typically create a problem because they can be of sufficient
resolution for office printing. They can suck big time if used for
commercial printing.
OK, so I can think of the short lines as how the computer/printer
language builds the image.
Right. For PostScript or EPS, it is the PostScript interpreter that builds
the image by rasterizing the "little short lines" into dots.
I think I previously tried to open a client's WMF in Illy to work with
it, but it was all a bunch of lines. Nothing I could do that was worth
doing. I think I used it as a template to redraw.
I've done that many times. No point in driving yourself nuts trying to
make silk purses and all.
Neil
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I always had problems with dxf files and also with GIS stuff [Arcview]. I
don't get those files anymore, so don't know if these translation issues
have been resolved by illy or freehand. With dxf all the lines would be
split into little broken lines, even if the lines were simple straight ones
with no curves involved. |
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Eric
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Clients who insist on MSWord.... |
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amgine wrote:
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on 31/5/07 2:43 am, Neil Gould wrote:
Recently, inez <nezmyth@or.fact> posted:
Neil Gould wrote:
What are you using to open the WMF? Unless you are using a WMF
editor that uses an editing paradigm similar to Illustrator, you
will get short, unconnected straight lines instead of curves to work
with. Placing WMFs created in Illustrator in Office apps will not
typically create a problem because they can be of sufficient
resolution for office printing. They can suck big time if used for
commercial printing.
OK, so I can think of the short lines as how the computer/printer
language builds the image.
Right. For PostScript or EPS, it is the PostScript interpreter that
builds the image by rasterizing the "little short lines" into dots.
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I got out of this problem once by using a PostScript hack. In that case we
had some Illustrator files with some very thin lines which were actually
very long thin triangles/polygons. They proofed OK on laser, but the
imagesetter sets them on a finer grid so they vanished.
The solution is "Quark bolding". Ancient versions of Quark would bold a font
for which it hadn't got a bold cut. What it did was take the font path and
go round it with a thick pen.
I cribbed the algorithm as a PostScript header. Whenever a linewidth was set
it checked that the linewidth wasn't too thin. If it was thick enough then
it set the linewidth as requested. If it was below the magic value it would
be set to that. Then all the lines came out bold enough for the
imagesetter.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Clients who insist on MSWord.... |
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"amgine" <nztvar@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C2839741.56787%nztvar@yahoo.co.uk...
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on 30/5/07 9:26 pm, Neil Gould wrote:
Recently, amgine <nztvar@yahoo.co.uk> posted:
on 30/5/07 6:10 pm, inez wrote:
SpaceGirl wrote:
On May 30, 2:54 pm, Jim Webb <jayaruuNOS...@gmail.net> wrote:
This has come up too many times for me to ignore. I create great
stationery layouts in Indesign (CS2 on Macintosh), get everything
printed, then the client turns around and wants the letterhead (or
a fax page, or media release page) in MSWord so they can type in
stuff and PDF
it for email.
Can MSWord accept vector art (seems to look choppy)? In
Illustrator's 'export for MSWord' it saves PNG files -- then the
client complains the logo/text is blurry. Do I have to save the
letterhead artwork as hi-rez JPG?
I may be an expert in REAL layout programs, but lost when some
secretary wants a MSWord template. I can't expect clients to
change their PC programs, so I have to come up with a workaround.
Maybe one of you have more experience with MSWord than I do...
Word prefers WMF files; export all Illustrator art as WMF and it'll
remain vector when imported into Word, and print at printer
resolution. This is what we do.
Somewhere someone told me that Word will take EPS (with PC preview),
is that correct? Also, wouldn't it take EMF; and, doesn't EMF allow
for curves while WMF is made up entirely of tiny straight lines?
Actually, EPS output is made up "entirely of tiny straight lines" as
well.
Though the original artwork is created using Beziér curves capable of
smooth interpretation at any resolution, PostScript ultimately converts
those curves to vectors (i.e. "little straight lines") that the
"flatness"
setting in Illustrator controls. While WMF is often more coarse, anyone
printing to an inkjet from MS-Word is not likely to suffer from this.
I've previously had trouble with getting eps format to either print or
preview on work pcs. Actually I have trouble printing eps files on my
inkjets from my mac too - they can go very rough around the edges. I
suppose this stems from not having a PS printer?
Since 'EPS' is short for "Encapsulated PostScript", to get high
resolution
output, you need a PostScript interpreter. Without one in the printer or
some intermediate applet, the low resolution preview is often
substituted
while printing. Or worse.
Yes, this has happened. The people I work with don't understand the
importance of PS printing, and I've had this issue for some years now, off
and on. My problem is that I'm too dim to be able to explain to even
dimmer*
people why I need postscript, I just know that I need it.
To the OP: use WMF. It is the compatible with the most versions of
MS-Word.
Neil
*no offence to the people involved.
If you have CorelDraw, you can save an EPS with a WMF preview. If you have a |
PS printer, it will print the PS, if not, it will print the preview, which
in this case is WMF. So, it's a file that will print great on whatever
printer you have. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:24 am Post subject: Re: Clients who insist on MSWord.... |
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EPS 8.0 usually works for me in Word. It's obviously not as excepting
of later AI-centric effects but it works in most cases. |
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