Publishing Industry Publishing Industry    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  First let's kill all the desingers...          Publishing Industry Forum Index -> Publishing Industry View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Lee Blevins Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:20 am    Post subject: First let's kill all the desingers... Designer: Here are the files, there is a variation from the quote, the image is much larger, it's it's going to cost more I'm not sure how much would it be? I'll need a requote in the next 5 minutes. You need to scan this print and place it in the position of the image I placed on the documents. Designer: Her's a new email, forget the native docuements I sent you, here's a pdf that shows the changes. Designer: Forget about the size change, I'll just leave it they way it is was quoted, can you adjust all the documents? Designer: Why haven't I seen the new proof yet? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Mike Russell Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: First let's kill all the desingers... "Lee Blevins" <leeb@digitalgraphics.net> wrote in message news:1hwkwb3.sbyq451qdiyaqN%leeb@digitalgraphics.net... Quote: Designer: Here are the files, there is a variation from the quote, the image is much larger, it's it's going to cost more I'm not sure how much LOL - Lee, it seems to be about a year ago you were swearing up and down never to work with printers again. If you cut out the designers, who's left? -- Mike Russell www.curvemeister.com/forum/ Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor inez Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: First let's kill all the desingers... Vat do de singers need viss prepress? They're all preoccupied with American Idol. *ducking* inez Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor keith Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: First let's kill all the desingers... On Apr 14, 9:20 pm, l...@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote: Quote: Designer: Here are the files, there is a variation from the quote, the image is much larger, it's it's going to cost more I'm not sure how much would it be? I'll need a requote in the next 5 minutes. You need to scan this print and place it in the position of the image I placed on the documents. Designer: Her's a new email, forget the native docuements I sent you, here's a pdf that shows the changes. Designer: Forget about the size change, I'll just leave it they way it is was quoted, can you adjust all the documents? Designer: Why haven't I seen the new proof yet? If there's room in the death chamber, let's cram some old people in too. They get in my way. Keith Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Peggy Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: First let's kill all the desingers... Me, the designer: Here's a properly prepared PDF x1a file. I've also included all my native files and fonts. If you have any questions or concerns, please call me at any time. I work graveyard, so I'm available by phone at all hours. .... Me: Why does my printed job look like ass? Printer: We had trouble with your Indesign file. Me: Why didn't you use the PDF I sent? Printer: When we paginated it in Quark 4.11 ... Me: What?!??! You dumb 4$$#0!E!!! What were you thinking? Printer: Well, we'll be glad to reprint it for you at only 85% of the cost .... There are bad designers, bad printers, bad prepress technicians ... I have to say, though, that since I took a job at Kinkos, I've had new respect for prepress. Designers do some remarkably wrong-headed things. For example, I now think using full bleeds should be a felony. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor inez Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: First let's kill all the desingers... Peggy wrote: Quote: For example, I now think using full bleeds should be a felony. Why? If specs are asked for by the designer, given precisely by the printer, and fulfilled as specified by the designer, then what? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Peggy Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: First let's kill all the desingers... "inez" <nezmyth@or.fact> wrote in message news:evtgme$426$1@aioe.org... Quote: Peggy wrote: For example, I now think using full bleeds should be a felony. Why? If specs are asked for by the designer, given precisely by the printer, and fulfilled as specified by the designer, then what? Oh, if only ... ! But instead, specs are never asked for, bleeds are seldom defined ... what we usually see is an 8.5x11 inch PDF with color to the edge of the paper. Art, crop, bleed and trim boxes are the same. And the request is to print it on 8.5x11, and don't charge for any cutting ... So when we print it and hand it to them - with 1/4 inch white all around - they are livid. Understandably, perhaps. This is learning ground, though. The good ones survive, learn, grow ... and move on to other printers. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor inez Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: First let's kill all the desingers... Peggy wrote: Quote: "inez" <nezmyth@or.fact> wrote in message news:evtgme$426$1@aioe.org... Peggy wrote: For example, I now think using full bleeds should be a felony. Why? If specs are asked for by the designer, given precisely by the printer, and fulfilled as specified by the designer, then what? Oh, if only ... ! But instead, specs are never asked for, bleeds are seldom defined ... what we usually see is an 8.5x11 inch PDF with color to the edge of the paper. Art, crop, bleed and trim boxes are the same. And the request is to print it on 8.5x11, and don't charge for any cutting ... So when we print it and hand it to them - with 1/4 inch white all around - they are livid. Understandably, perhaps. This is learning ground, though. The good ones survive, learn, grow ... and move on to other printers. I think printers tend to lump careless hacks and caring designers into one category. Unfortunately, uneducated design clients do the same:( BUT, it seems to me that a place like Kinkos should have no problem pushing their specs both in-store and on the web, with full disclaimers, eh? Check the file and reject it...don't print it. Seems to me it should work both ways. Designers should ask for and follow specs. Printers should inquire about the files before they commit to output. Sure, crap is still going to happen, but the best cure is clear communications. The other killer of good output?...clueless and careless reps and front desk jockeys. A lack of due diligence in the middle kills communications for both ends. Peggy, you're gaining invaluable experience and you're to be commended:) inez Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Lee Blevins Guest Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: First let's kill all the desingers... inez <nezmyth@or.fact> wrote: snip Quote: Peggy, you're gaining invaluable experience and you're to be commended:) inez I had a fella working for me that worked at Office Max printing. I asked him what kind of printer they output their digital copies on and the unit he named only takes 11 x 17 paper. So I had to ask what they did about bleed 11 x 17's and he said they just printed them on 11 x 17 paper and the margins cropped. They don't seem to be running out of customers so what can one say? As far as bleeds go, what is it with designers? Do they think they are not supposed to add bleed to their document and we in prepress just do it as a matter of course for no charge? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor keith Guest Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: First let's kill all the desingers... On Apr 15, 10:57 am, "Peggy" <pjcoq...@comcast.net> wrote: Quote: Me, the designer: Here's a properly prepared PDF x1a file. I've also included all my native files and fonts. If you have any questions or concerns, please call me at any time. I work graveyard, so I'm available by phone at all hours. ... Me: Why does my printed job look like ass? Printer: We had trouble with your Indesign file. Me: Why didn't you use the PDF I sent? Printer: When we paginated it in Quark 4.11 ... Me: What?!??! You dumb 4$$#0!E!!! What were you thinking? Printer: Well, we'll be glad to reprint it for you at only 85% of the cost ... There are bad designers, bad printers, bad prepress technicians ... I have to say, though, that since I took a job at Kinkos, I've had new respect for prepress. Designers do some remarkably wrong-headed things. For example, I now think using full bleeds should be a felony. Just last week I had 2 different clients, who prepare their own artwork, ask me about bleed ahead of time. They asked how much was required (1/8''). I was impressed! Keith Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Crash Fistfight Guest Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: First let's kill all the desingers... Amen, brother... "Lee Blevins" <leeb@digitalgraphics.net> wrote in message news:1hwkwb3.sbyq451qdiyaqN%leeb@digitalgraphics.net... Quote: Designer: Here are the files, there is a variation from the quote, the image is much larger, it's it's going to cost more I'm not sure how much would it be? I'll need a requote in the next 5 minutes. You need to scan this print and place it in the position of the image I placed on the documents. Designer: Her's a new email, forget the native docuements I sent you, here's a pdf that shows the changes. Designer: Forget about the size change, I'll just leave it they way it is was quoted, can you adjust all the documents? Designer: Why haven't I seen the new proof yet? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Fishface Guest Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:27 am    Post subject: Re: First let's kill all the desingers... Peggy wrote: Quote: Oh, if only ... ! But instead, specs are never asked for, bleeds are seldom defined ... what we usually see is an 8.5x11 inch PDF with color to the edge of the paper. Art, crop, bleed and trim boxes are the same. And the request is to print it on 8.5x11, and don't charge for any cutting ... So when we print it and hand it to them - with 1/4 inch white all around - they are livid. Understandably, perhaps. This is learning ground, though. The good ones survive, learn, grow ... and move on to other printers. They could at least read all the good advice on the FedEx/Kinko's website. Oh, wait. There is none. So what could you do, maybe print it at 103%? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ted Guest Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:22 am    Post subject: Re: First let's kill all the desingers... On Apr 14, 9:20 pm, l...@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote: Quote: Designer: Here are the files, there is a variation from the quote, the image is much larger, it's it's going to cost more I'm not sure how much would it be? I'll need a requote in the next 5 minutes. You need to scan this print and place it in the position of the image I placed on the documents. Designer: Her's a new email, forget the native docuements I sent you, here's a pdf that shows the changes. Designer: Forget about the size change, I'll just leave it they way it is was quoted, can you adjust all the documents? Designer: Why haven't I seen the new proof yet? That seems normal to me. Get about 5-10 a day like that. Ted Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ted Guest Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:28 am    Post subject: Re: First let's kill all the desingers... On Apr 15, 10:57 am, "Peggy" <pjcoq...@comcast.net> wrote: Quote: Me, the designer: Here's a properly prepared PDF x1a file. I've also included all my native files and fonts. If you have any questions or concerns, please call me at any time. I work graveyard, so I'm available by phone at all hours. I don't care for PDF x1a Pdfs - Compression and all. I give out my own job option descriptions. Great start though. Thanks for the native file and fonts. Quote: ... Me: Why does my printed job look like ass? Printer: We had trouble with your Indesign file. Me: Why didn't you use the PDF I sent? Printer: When we paginated it in Quark 4.11 ... Me: What?!??! You dumb 4$$#0!E!!! What were you thinking? Printer: Well, we'll be glad to reprint it for you at only 85% of the cost ... There are bad designers, bad printers, bad prepress technicians ... I have to say, though, that since I took a job at Kinkos, I've had new respect for prepress. Designers do some remarkably wrong-headed things. For example, I now think using full bleeds should be a felony. Yes, can be a pain. I get so many pdfs without bleed it isn't even funny. I think about 80% of pdfs I get are crap. Oh well just another day. Ted Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Publishing Industry Forum Index -> Publishing Industry All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Publishing Industry----------------Publishing Industry  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Australian Debt Consolidation Experts medical insurance Wedding Invitation Trova Escort e Accompagnatrici sui portali di annunci (EscortForum, ItaliaChiamami, PiccoleTrasgressioni ...) 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