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 Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:36 am Post subject: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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Here goes,
Forgive me if this has been covered before, but I'm finding many
different answers to this question.
I'm trying to make a CMYK PDF of 2-up slides from PowerPoint for press
printing--is this possible with Acrobat 6? I know PPT likes RGB.
I'm using Windows XP with PowerPoint 2003. I use Acrobat 6 to make a
PDF. If I choose US Press settings in Acrobat 6, will that convert it
to CMYK? Do I need some kind of specialized software to do it? I'm
getting stumped. |
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Neil Gould
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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Recently, hudgevudge@yahoo.com <hudgevudge@yahoo.com> posted:
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Here goes,
Forgive me if this has been covered before, but I'm finding many
different answers to this question.
I'm trying to make a CMYK PDF of 2-up slides from PowerPoint for press
printing--is this possible with Acrobat 6? I know PPT likes RGB.
I'm using Windows XP with PowerPoint 2003. I use Acrobat 6 to make a
PDF. If I choose US Press settings in Acrobat 6, will that convert it
to CMYK? Do I need some kind of specialized software to do it? I'm
getting stumped.
I hope your print job isn't much larger than a postage stamp... |
As for the answer to your question, a lot depends on what you mean by
"press printing" and who is getting this job to output for you.
Neil |
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Papa Joe
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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On 2007-05-30 22:45:36 -0300, "Neil Gould" <neil@myplaceofwork.com> said:
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Recently, hudgevudge@yahoo.com <hudgevudge@yahoo.com> posted:
Here goes,
Forgive me if this has been covered before, but I'm finding many
different answers to this question.
I'm trying to make a CMYK PDF of 2-up slides from PowerPoint for press
printing--is this possible with Acrobat 6? I know PPT likes RGB.
I'm using Windows XP with PowerPoint 2003. I use Acrobat 6 to make a
PDF. If I choose US Press settings in Acrobat 6, will that convert it
to CMYK? Do I need some kind of specialized software to do it? I'm
getting stumped.
I hope your print job isn't much larger than a postage stamp...
As for the answer to your question, a lot depends on what you mean by
"press printing" and who is getting this job to output for you.
Neil
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Let's stop this right now. Anyone that dares to start a job going on a
commercial press and starts with powerpoint files, should stop
immediately and hire a profesional. Don't ask why, asking the question
in itself means you should not be doing what you're doing. If you feel
brave enough or think it's a simple task, espect a lot of bad files
that the pressman will try and figure out and wonder what on earth he's
got.
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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On 5/30/07 8:52 PM, "Papa Joe" wrote:
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On 2007-05-30 22:45:36 -0300, "Neil Gould" said:
Recently, hudgevudge posted:
Here goes,
Forgive me if this has been covered before, but I'm finding many
different answers to this question.
I'm trying to make a CMYK PDF of 2-up slides from PowerPoint for press
printing--is this possible with Acrobat 6? I know PPT likes RGB.
I'm using Windows XP with PowerPoint 2003. I use Acrobat 6 to make a
PDF. If I choose US Press settings in Acrobat 6, will that convert it
to CMYK? Do I need some kind of specialized software to do it? I'm
getting stumped.
I hope your print job isn't much larger than a postage stamp...
As for the answer to your question, a lot depends on what you mean by
"press printing" and who is getting this job to output for you.
Neil
Let's stop this right now. Anyone that dares to start a job going on a
commercial press and starts with powerpoint files, should stop
immediately and hire a profesional.
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I couldn't agree more.
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Don't ask why, asking the question in itself means you should not be doing
what you're doing.
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"Hey, boss!" says the young mechanic on his first day at the shop.
"Yeah, whatcha' want?" he replies.
"Well, I don't want to use spark plugs in this car", says the young, cute
mechanic. "I'd rather use sparklers. Is that okay?"
"Yep. That should work."
Hell if I know if that's gonna' work. I'm not a mechanic. I would defer to
their experience and knowledge. My "favorite" customer is the one that
thinks they know more than you about printing, but can't set up a file for
press. How hard is it, really? If I can do it.....really--how hard is it????
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If you feel brave enough or think it's a simple task, espect a lot of bad
files that the pressman will try and figure out and wonder what on earth
he's got.
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It's not hard. Think logically. It's all logic. If you can't handle logical
thinking, you don't belong in the printing industry. Did I say Period? Or
was that a question mark?
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Neil Gould
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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Recently, Papa Joe <Sorry> posted:
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On 2007-05-30 22:45:36 -0300, "Neil Gould" <neil@myplaceofwork.com
said:
Recently, hudgevudge@yahoo.com <hudgevudge@yahoo.com> posted:
Here goes,
Forgive me if this has been covered before, but I'm finding many
different answers to this question.
I'm trying to make a CMYK PDF of 2-up slides from PowerPoint for
press printing--is this possible with Acrobat 6? I know PPT likes
RGB.
I hope your print job isn't much larger than a postage stamp...
As for the answer to your question, a lot depends on what you mean by
"press printing" and who is getting this job to output for you.
Let's stop this right now. Anyone that dares to start a job going on a
commercial press and starts with powerpoint files, should stop
immediately and hire a profesional. Don't ask why, asking the question
in itself means you should not be doing what you're doing. If you feel
brave enough or think it's a simple task, espect a lot of bad files
that the pressman will try and figure out and wonder what on earth
he's got.
Generally, I'd agree with you and if this was 10 years ago, you'd be |
absolutely right. However, suppose his "printing press" is a copier-type
"digital press"? It can make all the difference between getting just a
lousy looking job and getting nothing at all. I'd bet that someone asking
about handling PPT files for commercial printing may not know the
difference between these options.
Neil |
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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On May 31, 6:08 am, "Neil Gould" <n...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
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Recently, Papa Joe <Sorry> posted:
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about handling PPT files for commercial printing may not know the
difference between these options.
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Bingo. Now that we've established that I'm not a prepress expert, does anyone have a real answer? |
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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On 31 May 2007 05:22:12 -0700, hudgevudge@yahoo.com wrote:
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On May 31, 6:08 am, "Neil Gould" <n...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
Recently, Papa Joe <Sorry> posted:
. I'd bet that someone asking
about handling PPT files for commercial printing may not know the
difference between these options.
Bingo. Now that we've established that I'm not a prepress expert, does anyone have a real answer?
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yes.
powerpoint files typically are very low resolution and offset printing
requires very hi resolution. you cannot simply go from low to hi, it
doesnt work like that. Your typical powerpoint file will print as a
jagged, pixelated mess on an offset 4 color press.
You can try. One option might be save each slide as a jpg and then
open in photoshop to convert to cmyk.
better still tho, re-create the art in a photoshop file, cmyk, 300 dpi |
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Mike Powell
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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hudgevudge@yahoo.com wrote in
news:1180614132.040021.301220@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
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On May 31, 6:08 am, "Neil Gould" <n...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
Recently, Papa Joe <Sorry> posted:
. I'd bet that someone asking
about handling PPT files for commercial printing may not know the
difference between these options.
Bingo. Now that we've established that I'm not a prepress expert,
does anyone have a real answer?
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If you really must go down the path of using Powerpoint for a purpose for
which it was not designed, you will need an Acrobat plugin such as Pitstop
Professional or Quite a Box of Tricks.
You will also need the correct colour profiles for both RGB and CMYK in
order to achieve anything like an acceptable result.
Don't expect to get anything that looks professional as the finished
product. The resolution will be well below standard and the type and
graphics will probably be rasterised at a low resolution.
Powerpoint is intended to create presentation which will be viewed on
screen or projected, it is not intended for commercial printing.
If you want a professional finish, hire a professional or invest the time
to learn to use professional software.
Regards
Mike |
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Neil Gould
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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Recently, hudgevudge@yahoo.com <hudgevudge@yahoo.com> posted:
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On May 31, 6:08 am, "Neil Gould" <n...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
. I'd bet that someone asking
about handling PPT files for commercial printing may not know the
difference between these options.
Bingo. Now that we've established that I'm not a prepress expert, does
anyone have a real answer?
As in my first response to your post, IMO, the answer depends on what you |
are really doing. How is the printer going to print this document? If you
don't know the answer to this question then the best advice I can give you
is to ask the printer. If the printer can't handle your RGB PowerPoint
files in their printing process then hire a professional to do the job
because creating appropriate files *will* be beyond your capabilities, and
you'll risk a good sum of money finding that out after the fact.
Neil |
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Greg
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:05 am Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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"Mike Powell" <nospamthankyou@optimapprreess.com.au> wrote in message
news:Xns9941DAE5B5553Aussieprepressguy@203.59.27.131...
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hudgevudge@yahoo.com wrote in
news:1180614132.040021.301220@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
On May 31, 6:08 am, "Neil Gould" <n...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
Recently, Papa Joe <Sorry> posted:
. I'd bet that someone asking
about handling PPT files for commercial printing may not know the
difference between these options.
Bingo. Now that we've established that I'm not a prepress expert,
does anyone have a real answer?
If you really must go down the path of using Powerpoint for a purpose for
which it was not designed, you will need an Acrobat plugin such as Pitstop
Professional or Quite a Box of Tricks.
You will also need the correct colour profiles for both RGB and CMYK in
order to achieve anything like an acceptable result.
Don't expect to get anything that looks professional as the finished
product. The resolution will be well below standard and the type and
graphics will probably be rasterised at a low resolution.
Actually, unless you do something to rasterize it, the type will be vectors |
and any placed graphics will be at the resolution you placed them at. Charts
and graphs will be vector as well. Upgrade to Acrobat 8 pro and you can
convert to CMYK without plugins. If you use MicroS**t clip art and
backgrounds, they are generally lower rez. I print tons of PPT generated
material and it is no different thant any other file - you get out what you
put in.
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Powerpoint is intended to create presentation which will be viewed on
screen or projected, it is not intended for commercial printing.
Well, half correct. Yes, the primary purpose is for the actual presentation, |
but it is also designed to publish a complete set of support materials -
reports, outlines, and handouts. I run everything from small lots on the
Konica or Indigo to large distributions on the press and other than a crappy
graphic that somone pulled from the web, everything looks great.
(This is in no way to be considered an endorsement of a Microsoft product. I
hate Microsoft! I hate Microsoft! I hate Microsoft! I hate Microsoft!)
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If you want a professional finish, hire a professional or invest the time
to learn to use professional software.
Regards
Mike |
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Papa Joe
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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On 2007-06-01 20:05:06 -0300, "Greg" <gsbatchelor@verizon.net> said:
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"Mike Powell" <nospamthankyou@optimapprreess.com.au> wrote in message
news:Xns9941DAE5B5553Aussieprepressguy@203.59.27.131...
hudgevudge@yahoo.com wrote in
news:1180614132.040021.301220@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
On May 31, 6:08 am, "Neil Gould" <n...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
Recently, Papa Joe <Sorry> posted:
. I'd bet that someone asking
about handling PPT files for commercial printing may not know the
difference between these options.
Bingo. Now that we've established that I'm not a prepress expert,
does anyone have a real answer?
If you really must go down the path of using Powerpoint for a purpose for
which it was not designed, you will need an Acrobat plugin such as Pitstop
Professional or Quite a Box of Tricks.
You will also need the correct colour profiles for both RGB and CMYK in
order to achieve anything like an acceptable result.
Don't expect to get anything that looks professional as the finished
product. The resolution will be well below standard and the type and
graphics will probably be rasterised at a low resolution.
Actually, unless you do something to rasterize it, the type will be vectors
and any placed graphics will be at the resolution you placed them at. Charts
and graphs will be vector as well. Upgrade to Acrobat 8 pro and you can
convert to CMYK without plugins. If you use MicroS**t clip art and
backgrounds, they are generally lower rez. I print tons of PPT generated
material and it is no different thant any other file - you get out what you
put in.
Powerpoint is intended to create presentation which will be viewed on
screen or projected, it is not intended for commercial printing.
Well, half correct. Yes, the primary purpose is for the actual presentation,
but it is also designed to publish a complete set of support materials -
reports, outlines, and handouts. I run everything from small lots on the
Konica or Indigo to large distributions on the press and other than a crappy
graphic that somone pulled from the web, everything looks great.
(This is in no way to be considered an endorsement of a Microsoft product. I
hate Microsoft! I hate Microsoft! I hate Microsoft! I hate Microsoft!)
If you want a professional finish, hire a professional or invest the time
to learn to use professional software.
Regards
Mike
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Is this what commercial printing has been downgraded to... let it be
Digital or offset.
I can't belive I've just seen a printer partly justify using graphics
from powerpoint.
Images will mostly likely be under 100dpi, I doubt anyone is forced ot
use a 25 lpi screen, so this is sub standard. Graphics... vector from
powerpoint? I doubt it's postcript or clean, another big problem.
Powerpoint is not made nor does it store data that is suppose to be
used for anything but viewing on a monitor. Anyone that is trying to
use graphics from this source, either has no choice or is plain stupid.
My god, we have CTP printers and digital printers that can print better
quality with less dot gain than any commercial press in the 80's and
guess what we do...we throw JPG and powerpoint files at it... Way to go
guys.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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In article <2007060221164616807-Sorry@news.panic.com>, Papa Joe <Sorry>
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My god, we have CTP printers and digital printers that can print better
quality with less dot gain than any commercial press in the 80's and
guess what we do...we throw JPG and powerpoint files at it...
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Is that what the customers are asking for and are paying for?
If so, so be it. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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"Papa Joe" <Sorry> wrote in message
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On 2007-06-01 20:05:06 -0300, "Greg" <gsbatchelor@verizon.net> said:
Is this what commercial printing has been downgraded to... let it be
Digital or offset.
I can't belive I've just seen a printer partly justify using graphics from
powerpoint.
Images will mostly likely be under 100dpi, I doubt anyone is forced ot use
a 25 lpi screen, so this is sub standard. Graphics... vector from
powerpoint? I doubt it's postcript or clean, another big problem.
Powerpoint is not made nor does it store data that is suppose to be used
for anything but viewing on a monitor. Anyone that is trying to use
graphics from this source, either has no choice or is plain stupid.
My god, we have CTP printers and digital printers that can print better
quality with less dot gain than any commercial press in the 80's and guess
what we do...we throw JPG and powerpoint files at it... Way to go guys.
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Nice - I hope you have a lovely view from your high horse. Down here on the
ground, we try to meet our customers' needs without pointing out to them how
technically and intellectually (and morally?) superior we are. If they want
ppt files printed, I try to find a way to do that as attractively as
possible. What I don't do is say, "Take your crap files elsewhere, you
twat." I've never found the second approach very effective at increasing
business or winning friends.
Just my US$.02
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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In article <_sSdncu2y4Rfu_7bnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
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What I don't do is say, "Take your crap files elsewhere, you
twat."
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Oh, can you? Pretty please?
'Cuz there's three tons of money to be made by being the "elsewhere" for
those files to go to. |
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Allen Wessels
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: Re: PowerPoint to CMYK PDF for Press? How? |
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In article <_sSdncu2y4Rfu_7bnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Peggy" <pjcoquet@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Papa Joe" <Sorry> wrote in message
news:2007060221164616807-Sorry@news.panic.com...
On 2007-06-01 20:05:06 -0300, "Greg" <gsbatchelor@verizon.net> said:
Is this what commercial printing has been downgraded to... let it be
Digital or offset.
I can't belive I've just seen a printer partly justify using graphics from
powerpoint.
Images will mostly likely be under 100dpi, I doubt anyone is forced ot use
a 25 lpi screen, so this is sub standard. Graphics... vector from
powerpoint? I doubt it's postcript or clean, another big problem.
Powerpoint is not made nor does it store data that is suppose to be used
for anything but viewing on a monitor. Anyone that is trying to use
graphics from this source, either has no choice or is plain stupid.
My god, we have CTP printers and digital printers that can print better
quality with less dot gain than any commercial press in the 80's and guess
what we do...we throw JPG and powerpoint files at it... Way to go guys.
--
Nice - I hope you have a lovely view from your high horse. Down here on the
ground, we try to meet our customers' needs without pointing out to them how
technically and intellectually (and morally?) superior we are. If they want
ppt files printed, I try to find a way to do that as attractively as
possible. What I don't do is say, "Take your crap files elsewhere, you
twat." I've never found the second approach very effective at increasing
business or winning friends.
Just my US$.02
Peggy
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It's all about what you get paid for. And how much of what the customer
will pay for will pay for what they won't pay for. :-)
One of the worst things you can do in any service industry is to dig
your heels in and decide what you won't do. You have to put the service
where the customer is.
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