Publishing Industry Publishing Industry    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Best Monitor Calibration Tool          Publishing Industry Forum Index -> Publishing Industry View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Guest Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:11 am    Post subject: Best Monitor Calibration Tool I just picked up a 23" Apple Cinema display and am considering getting a monitor calibration tool. Any suggestions on what the best choices are these days? Is the Spyder2 a good choice? Thanks. -Fleemo Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Lee Blevins Guest Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:05 am    Post subject: Re: Best Monitor Calibration Tool <fleemo17@comcast.net> wrote: Quote: I just picked up a 23" Apple Cinema display and am considering getting a monitor calibration tool. Any suggestions on what the best choices are these days? Is the Spyder2 a good choice? Thanks. -Fleemo I've never used one that worked. But my last experience was many years ago. For the device to work you'd have to replicate the surround that was used when the scientists decided it worked. Unfortunatley, they usually don't explain that in the documentation. Today the monitors are so well made that you can download an icc profile from the manufacturers and plug that in with a basic calibration and be very good. For me, I've been color correcting (dot etching) since before there were macintoshes, scitexes and all the fun stuff we have now. I've seen so many hairbrained schemes that a device will allow someone who doesn't have a good eye/feel for color to make good color. What one needs much more than the elusive "monitor that matches" is a fundamental understanding of color reproduction and electronic imaging. Here's are some things to ponder: A) You're displaying a duotone made of an orange and yellow PMS color. How accurate do you think it can be? B) You're looking at a page in Indesign that has images from a wide variety of color spaces -How well is that mapping working? C) Do you even have a 5K viewer and proper environment where your monitor is to compare a proof to your screen? D) Where are you getting this proof that you think is worth comparing to and how was it made? There is only one way to get good color. You can't shoot blind. You need an ICC profile of the color space you're headed to and a proof before you print that is accurate to the final product. Aside from that I can color correct images by numbers on a b&w monitor and get very good results by just reading numbers. But if you want the good color, you have to have the stuff and do the work. It's as easy as ABCD. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Allen Wessels Guest Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: Best Monitor Calibration Tool In article <1hzk4kn.1hp2f8l1p42kzmN%leeb@digitalgraphics.net>, leeb@digitalgraphics.net (Lee Blevins) wrote: Quote: I've never used one that worked. But my last experience was many years ago. For the device to work you'd have to replicate the surround that was used when the scientists decided it worked. Unfortunatley, they usually don't explain that in the documentation. Today the monitors are so well made that you can download an icc profile from the manufacturers and plug that in with a basic calibration and be very good. For me, I've been color correcting (dot etching) since before there were macintoshes, scitexes and all the fun stuff we have now. I've seen so many hairbrained schemes that a device will allow someone who doesn't have a good eye/feel for color to make good color. What one needs much more than the elusive "monitor that matches" is a fundamental understanding of color reproduction and electronic imaging. Here's are some things to ponder: A) You're displaying a duotone made of an orange and yellow PMS color. How accurate do you think it can be? B) You're looking at a page in Indesign that has images from a wide variety of color spaces -How well is that mapping working? C) Do you even have a 5K viewer and proper environment where your monitor is to compare a proof to your screen? D) Where are you getting this proof that you think is worth comparing to and how was it made? There is only one way to get good color. You can't shoot blind. You need an ICC profile of the color space you're headed to and a proof before you print that is accurate to the final product. Aside from that I can color correct images by numbers on a b&w monitor and get very good results by just reading numbers. But if you want the good color, you have to have the stuff and do the work. It's as easy as ABCD. Calibration is different than color matching. Calibration tries to ensure that what you saw yesterday is what you see today. Profiling and using color management to match another device is something else. I think most of the calibrators work today. The question is whether you just need calibration or you want to get fancior. That being said, I've seen lots of shops use old washed out CRTs get very good color matches *because* the displays have aged and their gamuts narrowed. - Allen Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Best Monitor Calibration Tool fleem...@comcast.net schrieb: Quote: I just picked up a 23" Apple Cinema display and am considering getting a monitor calibration tool. Any suggestions on what the best choices are these days? Is the Spyder2 a good choice? Thanks. -Fleemo Please have a look here: http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc3a175 Many people adjust the monitor for 6500K, Gamma=2.2 and L=100cd/m2 (though a TFT can be much brighter). The surround light, looking to the left, above and to the right of the monitor should be 50 lux. Walls and furniture should be white or neutrally gray. Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Papa Joe Guest Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: Best Monitor Calibration Tool On 2007-06-11 17:11:52 -0300, fleemo17@comcast.net said: Quote: I just picked up a 23" Apple Cinema display and am considering getting a monitor calibration tool. Any suggestions on what the best choices are these days? Is the Spyder2 a good choice? Thanks. -Fleemo Considering Apple's monitors can only reach about 70 percent adobe RGB ...why bother :) j/k -- Welcome to Papa Joe's Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Guest Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:22 am    Post subject: Re: Best Monitor Calibration Tool I like the Monaco OPTIX XR Pro because it has a feedback process that gives you the delta E for several colors ( you can customize it as well). Any device that doesn't give you the final delta E isn't worth buying. What good is it to calibrate and profile if you don't know if it matches anything? Your new monitor won't be able to show enough yellow (delta E 12), green and orange and overall delta E will be about 3.0. Our proofers are .9 to 1.1 overall delta E - that's just for reference. Eizo ColorEdge is the way to go if you are serious about color. If you do it correctly you would never have to buy another proof. Stick that into your ROI calculator and you'll see the 3,000 dollar solution is really quite inexpensive. If you plan to compare printed output with a monitor there is a ton of work ahead of you. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Publishing Industry Forum Index -> Publishing Industry All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Publishing Industry----------------Publishing Industry  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Australian Debt Consolidation Experts medical insurance Wedding Ring Escort, massaggiatrici e accompagnatrici a Modena, Bologna, Parma, Brescia, Vicenza ... 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